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Dean Kiely interview

Part 1

Part 2


Dave Bowler

3/22/07

For much of his short reign at West Bromwich Albion, Tony Mowbray has been looking for balance, a blend of know how and desire, of talent and determination. And he’s been looking for his goalkeeper. With nearly 700 games and the hunger for success of a player half his age, in Dean Kiely he found the solution, a player who fits his work ethic like a glove.

Mowbray got himself a top class goalkeeper, a player utterly focused on his work, ferociously proud of his achievements but still hungry to add more. A goalkeeper who played his 600th league game against Cardiff last Tuesday, but who is looking to stick another couple of hundred onto that tally. A goalkeeper who is still determined to improve and with no time for failure. Not a bad shopping trip after all.

The irony is that, had West Brom not been trying to stave off apparently terminal decline back in the late 1980s, Dean Kiely might well have played all those 600 league games for them, rather than simply the most recent half a dozen. When he signed on the dotted line for Albion, Dean was also coming full circle, back home to the place where he took the first steps on the footballing path as a teenager, a place he left behind when it became very obvious, even to a callow youth, that things were going horribly wrong.

“Goalkeeping has been my life really. At the age of 9 or 10 I dabbled as an outfield player a bit, but I settled in goal when I was about 10 and that was it. It fitted my personality in terms of diving around and getting dirty. Like any kid, I played for my school, got to play for the district, moved into Sunday football and then Roy Horobin scouted me for West Brom, which was a great thing for me as a teenager, incredibly exciting.

“I signed schoolboy forms at 14 and really enjoyed it. Johnny Giles was here as manager, then Nobby Stiles, Tony Brown worked with the youngsters as well, I had a great time learning the game. I owe the club a lot going back then because they put me forward for trials at Lilleshall, the FA National School, which I got through and then spent two years there. That gave me a base, a platform to carve out a career as a footballer.

“It was just a shame that during my two years at Lilleshall, the management changed and Ron Saunders came in. As a kid, 15 or 16 at the time, it all came as a bit of a shock. From everyone from Johnny Giles down being very open and warm, accommodating, making the kids feel part of the club, it went to a situation where the manager focused completely on the first team and anybody beyond those eleven for Saturday were secondary.
Things changed a little bit and I ended up leaving to go to Coventry City. I’ve got no regrets, but it is nice to come back and go full circle if you like.”

Right from those adolescent days when he first began to train with the Throstles, Dean had a very level headed, hard headed approach to the career path he wanted to take. He might have been school age, but he was looking at where he wanted to be a decade further down the line.

Not only was he not afraid of making sacrifices to get there, he positively embraced them, going out of his way to find challenges and overcome them. Talking to him now, at 36, you’d be hard pushed to find a more driven individual, somebody more committed to his craft, more determined to give everything to his job. But it seems as if he hasn’t changed in more than 20 years.

The hunger that drives him now, drove him then, exemplified by the ease with which he adapted to life at the FA school in Lilleshall, an experience he views as wholly positive.

“Lilleshall has closed now which is a pity. I loved I there, it was fantastic. The difficult thing is moving away from home at 14, but that makes you grow up, toughen up. You haven’t got your parents to tidy up after you so you become self reliant, you look after your laundry, all your gear, that kind of thing.
It’s character building, you learn a lot of life skills. And it was a great opportunity, at 14, to go to the national sports centre, where you have all those facilities at your disposal. I really enjoyed it and got a lot out of it.
For some people, it didn’t sit right with them, they got homesick, they couldn’t handle the responsibilities and they left, but I thrived on it. It was a two year apprenticeship, what you’d normally get from 16 to 18, but I had it from 14 to 16, which I felt gave me an advantage over everybody else. And it was with elite coaches, the best facilities, I think I’d have been daft to turn that down.

“Being a goalkeeper, the fact that it toughens you up, it makes you resilient and self-reliant, that’s a great thing, because so much of the game is in the mind. It’s a team sport but a goalkeeper is an individual position within that, quite exposed compared with everybody else, so you have to be thick skinned, mentally tough. You sink or swim at Lilleshall, you’re either up for the challenge or you shy away from it. That’s the reality. I’m quite a strong person, and if that came from being at Lilleshall, then great.”

The sudden Saunders putsch at The Hawthorns had pretty much forced Kiely out of the Albion, but there were no shortage of suitors, Dean eventually deciding that Coventry was the place to be for the next stage in his education. They were thrilling times at Highfield Road too.

“Coventry won the FA Cup in May 1987 and I joined the pre-season that followed. I progressed through the youth team and into the reserves but opportunities were limited, which can often be the case for a goalkeeper, because there’s only one shirt for you to go after.
I reached a point where I was doing well, I was pleased with my game, but I was in a cul-de-sac really, simply because Steve Ogrizovic was there and still with years ahead of him. So my route to the first team was stunted, simply because he was a great ‘keeper and a great pro who looked after himself and went on for a good, long career.
I bumped into him last Christmas which was great because he’s a great person, got an amazing work ethic and approach to the game and that’s something I certainly took from my time with him, something I’ve applied to my game.

“But Steve was going nowhere, he was playing well and I could see I wasn’t going to get past him. My philosophy is that things happen for a reason and it was meant for me to drop right down the divisions and have the next part of learning my trade at York City. That was a big decision because again, born out of the fact that things were getting a little too easy. My family lived in Warwick, I was living at home, life was comfy, everything was done for me.
One day the penny dropped that I could sit around in Coventry, twiddling my thumbs, playing in the reserves, but meanwhile, there were goalkeepers my age getting games in the lower divisions, playing senior football. That was the route I decided to go down, I had to play some games that mattered because I didn’t want to drop behind my contemporaries and take the easy option.

“For me, you’re not a footballer unless you’re playing football matches. I had all the paraphernalia of Coventry City, the kit, the tracksuit, the boots, the player’s pass, but in a quiet moment, you sit and think, “My job description is “Footballer” but I’m not playing”. I think it’s a little different nowadays, squads are bigger, there is rotation and that has changed it a little bit. But the way I felt then - and the way I feel now - was that I wanted to be able to get the Rothmans Yearbook out, see the name Dean Kiely, and have a lot of senior games played next to it.
Now, I bore my friends and family by telling them how many appearances I’ve made, but when the laughing dies down, the reason is because I’m fiercely proud of having done that. My long tem plan now is to rack up as many games as possible, keep playing for a long time yet, because I want to tell my grandchildren that I played football, that I wasn’t just at a football club.”

If you were compiling a list of the least glamorous places to play your football, then York’s Bootham Crescent would be up there. But for a young professional, fresh out of Lilleshall and then a First Division outfit, going down to Division Four was a real opportunity to see exactly what life was like at the sharp end. Characteristically, Dean revelled in the task.

“York City was a great place to learn the job, you learn great values, great disciplines. I started the season off with them having a look at me, playing reserve football, and I got into the side around Christmas time. At that level, playing in the team, getting appearance money and a win bonus made a dramatic difference to my lifestyle. I was trying to forge out a career, but at those clubs, it’s hand to mouth and you are on a tightrope.
That’s when it dawns on you that winning or losing is life or death. If you do well, you kick on, you might get another contract. If you don’t, if you don’t make a success of it, from York, you were on the way down to non-league football, out in the football wilderness somewhere. That was the impetus for me to really roll my sleeves up and get my work done. It’s a lesson I’ve never forgotten either, that playing every week, doing well, winning games, that’s everything in football.

“I’ve always been self-referencing, knowing what I need to do rather than needing to be told. Back then, I needed to get in the first team, make a contribution and help the team succeed. It worked out well because it wasn’t long before we got promoted through the play-offs, I saved a penalty in the shootout, so that was a big day. Then that’s the gateway to a higher league against better players, and there are all these little hurdles that you have to go over. Can I play at the next level up? I found I could, so then the next challenge was to get up another division and another.”

York won promotion to Division Three at Wembley Stadium on May 29th, 1993, the game with Crewe going to a shootout.

“To play in a penalty shootout at Wembley is fantastic for a goalkeeper because as an individual, you can’t lose. I look back at the scrapbooks now from that day and they still make me smile. They were good times because the team that was put together was a good little unit, it clicked and we performed to a really high level for a couple of great seasons. They hadn’t had much success for a while, so it was a good place to be because we were giving something to the supporters.

“For me, I was getting 40 or 50 games a season, suddenly I’d played 100 games and then you feel comfortable, you feel you’re on your way. It was a fantastic learning experience at York, because now, there’s no situation that occurs on a Saturday that hasn’t happened to me. I’ve played in front of one man and his dog and I’ve played in front of tens of thousands.

“Having won the play-offs the one year, we then lost in the semi-finals at Stockport the following season. That could have been one of those springboard things, where you just get so much momentum going for you that pretty much regardless of who you’re playing against, you feel bullet proof. To get successive promotions at York would have been incredible. It was disappointing to lose, but all told it was a successful season. Unfortunately thereafter, it petered out a bit, York stayed in that division and we ended up being lucky to stay up. We played at Brighton, last game at the Goldstone Ground, it had to be put back to the end of the season because of a pitch invasion, and that was eerie because we had to win to stay up, in front of nobody. It was tense a big test, but we came through it. Tick that box as another experience that you’ve got to draw on.”

 

 

If you’re standing still, you’re going backwards. That’s the nature of modern day football, where you can guarantee that whenever you’re having a break, somebody, somewhere, is still working, trying to catch you up, overtake you. That somebody is probably Dean Kiely.

In the first part of this feature we traced the roots of his competitive instinct, his work ethic, and his willingness to do anything, play anywhere to make sure he was playing every Saturday. From Spring Road to Lilleshall then to Hghfield Road, he did his apprenticeship. But it was at York that he really learned to be a footballer. The tragedy for a club like York City is that when they do get their hands on a talent like Dean Kiely, there’s no keeping him. As York began to slide towards the bottom, he was offered a chance to move on

On the face of it, it looked like a move sideways, because Bury had little more going for them at Gigg Lane than York did at Bootham Crescent. But just looking at the surface doesn’t tell you the whole story. York had gone past the peak and were on the downward slope. Bury were on the other side of the hill, dashing up it, as Dean explains.

“Stan Ternent was the manager at Bury and he called me up. My contract was running out and Bury had just got promoted into our division. He said, “I’ve got a team that can challenge to get promoted out of here. I’ve got everything I need, except for a goalie. Do you want to do it?”

I’ve always tried to put myself in a place where somebody wants me to play because it’s great to be wanted, whatever you’re doing. It wasn’t a move for money or anything because the terms there weren’t much different. I went because the manager said he was desperate for me to play in his side. Nine months later, we were champions. He was bang on and I loved playing a part in a successful time. I’ve got the medal, I’ve done my job.

“There’s nothing better than when you come to put your feet up in May, looking back and knowing that you’ve done your bit to the best of your ability and you’ve achieved something. We let seven goals in at home that year, only one at the one end. Things like that stick with you because they’re reminders of great times. I had Chris Lucketti and Paul Butler in front of me as central defenders, we got on great off the pitch as well, they were great times.
I think you should play the game with a smile on your face. I know football is big business, there’s a lot at stake, but you play your best football when you’re in an environment you enjoy, with people you enjoy being around.”Playing in what is now the Championship was a big step forward for Bury and they became a very difficult side to break down as they fought for survival. But in the end, they didn’t have quite enough going forward and they slipped away. That was a particularly galling result for Dean who was one of the best performers anywhere in the division that year.

“The biggest down in my career came at Bury when we got relegated. What stuck in my throat was the fact that we kept 18 clean sheets, the same as some of the teams that got promoted, so it was a bittersweet thing really. We struggled to get goals that year, we’d dominate games, we had a run of something like seven 0-0s. We were solid, but the inability to score did us. The following year, I went to Charlton, kept 19 clean sheets and we went up as champions!

“With Bury going out of the division, they had to sell the spine of the team, so after three great years, I moved on to Charlton so they could bring some money in. That was a different kind of challenge, they’d dropped out of the Premiership but Mervyn Day, the assistant manger, called me and said, “We saw what you did at Bury last season in a struggling team. We’ll give you the shirt, put you between the sticks and you just do the same again. It was exciting to play with such great quality players and have to live up to that. I equalled Nicky Johns’ club record of clean sheets, and I know a lot of people don’t care, but it matters to me because it shows you earned your money.
“I’d had the chance to join some Premier League clubs in previous years, but I didn’t want to go as second or third choice, training every week, getting nothing at the end of it. I wanted to earn the right to play there and I did it with Charlton which was very satisfying. Then we were favourites for promotion but we wanted to prove we had enough and we had a great season, top half, and for me, it was achieving a longstanding goal.”

“The last few games of the season, we were promoted and we were a bit slack and lost a few games. We came to The Hawthorns on the last day and I was still one short of the clean sheet record. Albion had to win to stay up that day, but I was desperate not to concede. As it turned out, Albion won 2-0. I remember being upset about that at the time but standing here now, I’m pleased it worked out for everybody!”

Until this season’s trials and tribulations, Charlton have been a model for smaller clubs. Kiely should have a feel for what the secret is having spent the best part of seven years there.

“Charlton’s consistency is testament to the way they do things. It’s a very tight unit, very focused. I still talk to the chief executive there now as a friend, and that doesn’t happen at clubs. Everybody connected with the place, whichever cog they are in the machine, everybody does their job and wants success. There are no factions, everybody is pulling in the same direction. I was there in a golden era, where the bought good players and good lads. There were no egos, nobody who needed pampering or looking after, it was come to work, put your boots on, do your best and we’ll be fine. There’s something good about that. There’s nothing worse than be in a dressing room where this player loves himself, that player is moody, because you’re walking on eggshells and that’s hard. There was a great work ethic, team ethic and everybody was very comfortable in what they were doing.”

Dean’s career hasn’t simply progressed on the domestic front, because he spent a number of years in the Irish set-up, a period which he looks back on with mixed feelings.

“I got in the Irish squad at the back end of my Bury career and then when I went to Charlton, the higher profile helped. I had four, five years in Irish squads and that was great. The majority of my family live in Ireland, it was a great honour, a privilege, all of that, but in the end, I only came away with eight caps. If you strip away the honour, it wasn’t what I wanted in a lot of ways. This is my job, and all the endeavour, the work, the effort, the traipsing around the world, getting back exhausted on Thursday night to prepare for a Premier League game on Saturday, it was just starting to have a detrimental impact on my game. I loved playing for Ireland, but my job is to play for a club, they pay my wages, that’s my career. Ireland was a lovely bonus, but I just started to feel that I was working without really getting the reward of minutes on the pitch, and it wasn’t doing my week to week game any good either.

“At that point, I had to make probably the most selfish decision I’ve ever made, which was to retire from international football. I think I explained it correctly to Brian Kerr, who inherited the situation from Mick McCarthy, and I think he understood that eight caps was a poor return when they were opportunities for make to get more experience, be more involved. I think I did well for Ireland, I kept some clean sheets, especially in a volatile game in Turkey, so I performed whenever I got a chance. But it was frustrating to come away having not played again. I wasn’t kicking up a fuss, the manager picks his team, Shay Given is a great goalkeeper, I haven’t got any problem with that. But eventually, I asked myself, “Am I giving myself the best opportunity to play well for Charlton?” And the answer was no. It was the right decision because I’m here now at 36, I feel in great shape, don’t carry any weight, I feel fit and strong, mentally and physically and I feel there’s a lot more football in me, hopefully until when I’m 40 at least.”
Dean’s departure from Charlton came as something of a surprise, but again it’s a measure of the man and his attitude.
“It was a wrench to leave Charlton, but it reflected what I’m about. I had 18 months left on my contract, I lived 15 minutes down the road, but I wasn’t in the first team any more. I injured a finger in pre-season, I was out the side and then couldn’t get back in - any goalkeeper can understand how that is. I took on the challenge, which was to put myself on offer. I go back to the one basic thing, it’s alright saying you’re a footballer but you have to play football. It wasn’t happening at Charlton, but the opportunity was there at Portsmouth so I took it.

“To choose to go there, when they were pretty much dead and buried, less than half the season to go, that was a big risk for some people I suppose. But the ingredient that mattered to me was I was going to play on Saturday. A cushy life sat on the bench watching Charlton play for 18 months was a million miles from what I want to do. I’m not after an easy life, being carried along, I want to contribute. And if that meant going into a relegation dogfight, so be it. Harry Redknapp said he wanted a bit of experience, some know how, a bit of steel, in and around the training ground to galvanise the squad and get people right up for it. The satisfaction I got from being part of that short term charge up the table was enormous. It was a gutsy decision to make but I’m so pleased I did it.”

This season, Dean spent a little time on loan at Luton, playing more games, but looking for something more permanent. That arrived in January.

“Coming to West Bromwich Albion is a great opportunity. Leading up to the window when I was at Luton on loan, there was talk of one or two Premiership clubs being interested in me as a squad player, see what happens. But those clubs didn’t desperately want me, they’d have me as back up, but nothing more. I’m not looking for guarantees, I’m willing to battle and work for my place, but I want a chance to do that. When this move came about, it took me minutes to decide. It was the one I wanted. There were four or five ifs and buts going on including this and I desperately wanted this to be the concrete one, and thankfully it did, I was here in a flash because the manager wanted me an because I can improve here.

“You can’t ever feel like you know everything. There’s never been a day when I’ve walked off a training pitch thinking I’ve cracked it. There’s always more to learn, ways to get better at your job. I think I’m an honest. Open person and I like to work with the same kind of people. For me, Joe Corrigan is a great coach to work with. He played in an era when I was being shaped and moulded watching goalkeepers on the television. Joe struck me as a fantastic, consistent, reliable goalkeeper. He’s all of that and his personality is exactly the same, shakes your hand, looks you in the eye, tells you what he expects to do and that’s great. That was a big factor in coming here, the chance to work with good people who want to see you succeed. When Joe opens his mouth to talk to you on the training pitch, I listen because I have enormous respect for him.”

Which brings us to the matter in hand, the promotion run-in. It’s at times like this that you need a cool head. Fortunately, getting promoted is one of the many boxes that Dean has already ticked. How does he see the next couple of months shaping up?

“The Championship is incredibly tight, but you look to teams who are in a run of form and we’re certainly one of them. You look to gather momentum and then you don’t want to let it stop. You do that by working hard. We don’t leave anything in the dressing room, we take everything out on the pitch and give it everything. Yes, we have gifted players here, but the ingredient that’s impressed me is the tremendous steel and resolve to achieve what we want. That has to come out first and foremost, you have to battle and then your talent can be the edge that wins the games. Everyone is pulling in the same direction and wants to play their part in what could be a special season.

“Beyond that, I want to be here at Albion, playing in the first team, for a long time yet. It’s obvious that Tony Mowbray is trying to build something that lasts here, he’s not sticking a plaster on and hoping to get away with it in the short term. This is a big project he has in mind and I want to be part of that, I really do, because it’s very exciting.”



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